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80/20 or 20/80 rule

Oct 31, 2012 9:28 AM

ramaiya99 178 posts since
Jan 9, 2009

Hi

 

I am trying to understand the 20/80 rule and the 80/20 rule.

 

This is what I think it means -

 

The 80/20 rule is the old network infastructure. An Accountant sits in his area and he is connected to his/her network

The 20/80 rule is the new network infastrucure. An Accountant sits whereever they want as 80% of work croses the network and is internet related.

 

Regards

  • Albert 267 posts since
    Nov 22, 2010
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    1. Oct 31, 2012 9:37 AM (in response to ramaiya99)
    Re: 80/20 or 20/80 rule

    This rule was important when BW was a premium and when dramatic measures were required to limit broadcast traffic between LANs. Scenario - A LAN used to be as low as 1Mbps and so bridges would be employed to limit broadcast traffic within workgroups or departments and so maximise the balance of the BW for users.  These days, users require data to be shared beyond the workgroups and use the Internet more so the traffic mix is 20%local 80%external.  HTH

  • ESummers 312 posts since
    Sep 10, 2010
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    2. Oct 31, 2012 9:40 AM (in response to ramaiya99)
    Re: 80/20 or 20/80 rule

    I think this started in the "way back when" as networks were young.  The theory was that 80% of the traffic stayed in the local network or segment, and 20% of the traffic would leave (for the backbone, for example).  At one point I heard people stating that the opposite was now true (sort of a 20/80 rule), but I'd be surprised if that is even the case.  As this rule of thumb was somewhat of a method for estimating backbone capacity need, it is a bit dated as there are now better ways of doing this.

     

    Given that the current trend is towards terms such as "borderless networking" and "converged infrastructure", I'd be surprised if major players are still using that type of rule.  Though I don't have first-hand experience, I'd hazard to say that distributed services/data centers, "cloud" services, and the like have rendered it mostly obsolete, or at least highly dependent upon the enterprise's network architecture.

     

    (Edited to add:  Albert beat me to the punch, and included an important nugget of info regarding premium cost of bandwidth in the "way back when".  Good job, sir!)

  • Martin 13,076 posts since
    Jan 16, 2009
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    4. Oct 31, 2012 1:32 PM (in response to ramaiya99)
    Re: 80/20 or 20/80 rule

    you do not have to read chaptor; jsut read chapter 

     

    Everything covered in the book is "Go" for exam.

  • Paul Stewart  -  CCIE Security, CCSI 6,972 posts since
    Jul 18, 2008
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    5. Oct 31, 2012 4:15 PM (in response to ramaiya99)
    Re: 80/20 or 20/80 rule

    I would be prepared to understand that. It is core to the local VLAN design. The old recommendation was end to end vlans based on role. As rescources moved farther from users, the shift was made from [approximately] 80/20 to 20/80. As such, Cisco's recommendation changed for various reasons (cleaner design, easier troubleshooting, convergence, can help eliminate STP, etc). As such, now VLANs may be local to a switch block or even a switch. When the PC connected ports are on a single switch, you can easily eliminate the layer two connections between the distribution switches. This removes the dependence on STP for the affected VLANs. The 80/20 versus the 20/80 rule is a simple piece of some more complex topics around design (that certainly may be on the exam).

  • Joshua Johnson - CCNP R&S 5,156 posts since
    Sep 22, 2009
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    Re: 80/20 or 20/80 rule

    I employed the 20/80 rule when designing my companies new site... VLANs based on geography and NOT end to end is the way to go for ease of management and eliminating possible site wide broadcast storms.

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