I was just wondering if Cisco would consider adding CCNP R&S as a pre-req for the new CCNP Service Provider track.
I was studying for CCIP since completing my CCNP last year but now I'm unsure if I would consider CCNP SP. Even though the material is more up-to-date, both CCNA SP exams are $250 a pop and I don't think my organization would foot the bill for those as we're an enterprise shop, not full blow SP.
I just don't see the point of having to go back, other than the IOS XR basics in SPNGN2, to study for CCNA SP just to move onto CCNP SP.
Any clarification regarding CCNP R&S as a pre-req would be greatly appreciated....thanks.
I would have to agree with Martin and say no as well. Even though Cisco is creating all of these concentration tracks of their certifications, I think you will find that there will always some overlap between them. It is pretty obvious that a CCNP R&S could work in a SP environment. Routing and Switching are technical skill sets that are needed both in an Enterprise and an ISP. However I think that a certification not only focuses on technology skills but the application of those skills. I think that will be a difference in CCNP vs CCNP SP and why Cisco may not choose to allow CCNP to be a pre-requisite for CCNP SP. It may not be the technology differences but the application of those technologies in the different environments.
Just my opinion.
I certainly can't argue with Cisco's goals with having the separate SP track. I just find that with the previous CCIP track, there's a bridge between R&S NP's and doesn't require -NA exams. This seems to have changed with the new tracks.
It's a cost thing for my organization too. I doubt I can get approval for CCNA SP ($250 x 2 exams, which from the blueprints go over 85% of the CCNA R&S basics...) just to be qualified to sit CCNP SP exams.
Since I'm already knee-deep in my MPLS studies, I'll most likely take my BGP+MPLS exam in the next month or so, before they retire it. It's just a shame that that bridge doesn't exist between the R&S and SP track with these new certifications.
Maybe a bridge exam for CCNA SP could offer a nice compromise? Looking at the blueprints for the SPNGN exams, there's certainly a few important points that I wouldn't have covered going through CCNP R&S, such as the IOS-XR configurations, carrier grade NAT, and some of the transport technologies. Other than that, it looks like a lot of your CCNA-level OSI basics.
While I'm excited for the update, I'll wait and see how it develops.
I've taken the CCNA SP tests and today I took (and passed) SPCORE. To be fair, I haven't taken the current version of the CCNA or CCNP exams, but there didn't seem to be a lot of overlap between CCNA SP and CCNA or CCNP. There are topics on the CCNA SP, like multicast and CLNS, that I know for a fact are not covered in the R&S track before the CCIE level, if at all. IOS-XR and IOS-XE aren't covered in R&S. I felt like it was actually a very well-designed set of tests.
I get the cost argument, but if you can't pass CCNA SP then you definitely aren't ready for CCNP SP, and so it makes a very sensible pre-requisite.
Cool to hear from someone who has taken the exam! Thank you very much for your perspective and insight! I understand where others are coming from regarding cost, but if I do like the enterprise vs Service provider distinction between the two tracks. If that is the distinction, then CCNP is right for me! I am an enterprise guy, not a service provider guy.
Unfortunately, a valid CCNP certification will not fulfill the pre-requisite requirement for CCNP Service Provider.
The current pre-requisite requirement for the CCNP Service Provider is a valid CCNA Service Provider certification (or any valid CCIE certification will act as a pre-requisite). Also, a valid CCIP certification will fulfill the pre-requisite requirement for CCNP Service Provider, so individuals who are certified in CCIP will not need to achieve the CCNA Service Provider certification towards CCNP Service Provider.
Individuals with a valid CCIP certification will only need to pass the 642-887 SPCORE and 642-889 SPEDGE exams to become certified in CCNP Service Provider.
Hope this helps and good luck!
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I'm going to pursue CCIP within the next month. BGP+MPLS early June (before those exams retire) and QOS shortly after that.
If I do go down the new SP track, my CCIP can act as a pre-req, as per Rigo's post above.
Thank you everyone for your input.
As I understand it, a CCNP (who has already passed the ROUTE exam) should only need to do SPAVDROUTE, SPCORE and SPEDGE to get the CCNP-SP (according to the migration tool). Please correct me if I am wrong.
If a candidate has a valid Route exam (all professional level exams are valid for three years), then yes, they will need to pass the SPAVDROUTE, SPCORE and SPEDGE exams to achieve the CCNP Service Provider certification.
Please also keep in mind, candidates also need to have a valid CCNA Service Provider or a CCIE Certification in order to fulfill the prerequisite requirements for the CCNP Service Provider certification.
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I got my CCNA , and i was wanting to take the CCIP path , now it seems that the only option for me is to go to CCNP SP . On web I found different information regarding pre-req and I gest want to understand clearly,. My question is , if i will go for CCNP Route , then this two CCNA+CCNP Route will be enought as pre-req (and I gest need to continue with SPAVDROUTE, SPCORE and SPEDGE), or should I consider taking CCNA SP (this way my CCNA is useless for my professional path) ?