I actually wrote a blog about exactly this topic.....https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/blogs/vip-perspectives/2011/01/08/mind-the-gap--ccnp-to-ccie
You are correct, there is a significant gap, but it is surmountable! Just have to recognize where you need to focus and then execute.
I know how you feel mate - i am right here with you. I decided to do the CCIP before the CCIE. Having now almost done the CCIP my BGP, MPLS & QOS are now much stronger (plus i have another cert). I am not saying you should do the CCIP - as Scott said one step at a time and you could easy just learn the subjects while doing the CCIE. My next step is the CCNP to CCIE, two vendors out there right now have these books and get good reviews.
I am sure that all peopled get humbled by the CCIE when starting - i know when i start it wil get a few punches in - then i fight back!
Thanks guys, I know it's a case of just get started but i think the question has to be where....
Bigevil, like you I thought about the CCIP route to expandy knowledge in MPLS, QoS and BGP which would hopefully help in my CCIE desire. Let's be fair the CCNP route doesn't cover QoS and BGP in huge detail (well not the route I took anyway) and I feel like I need to expand this more at a professional level maybe before taking the big one.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Am I just putting myself off going for the big one, is there any real merit in doing CCIP if I dont plan to go into service provider route?
wow, i too have followed the same path as..BIG EVIL. actually its was slightly different in the sense that i took my BCMSN and BSCI .. probably a month before they were about to expire or replaced if you will and then straightaway started studying for CCIE. due to office work and other things, i couldn't maintain the tempo so decided to change the strategy and started studying for CCIP as its basically covers allmost 50-60 % or more of CCIE blueprint topics. i cleared 3 exams of CCIP and finally the TSHOOT (2 months ago) which i wanted to take once i have practised ******* the gear and when i took that exam it appeared to be a cake walk.
im studying for the MPLS exam. and once thats done ill be a CCIP as well . i like both the enterprise routing and switching as well and the service provider environment. so.
coming back to you question - you can definetly go for CCIP as it convers almost all the topics of the blueprint and in a way prepares you for the big one. contrary to the popoluar belief it does not lead you to a different ccie platform(SP),
You can apply your BSCI exam towards the CCIP certification as long as it is still valid (exactly 3 years from the date the exam was passed)
If your BSCI exam is valid, then you must pass the remaining required exams below:
However, if your BSCI exam has already expired OR expires before you are able to become certified in CCIP, then you will be required to take and pass the corresponding replacement exam, 642-902 ROUTE.
For more information regarding the CCIP requirements visit www.cisco.com/go/ccip
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I am not getting paid to promote any vendor product here but you got couple of options to fill that gap between CCNP to CCIE.
1. INE ATC 4.5 and INE CCIE Written Bootcamp can help you allot to fill that gap.
2. Narbik has specific "CCNP TO CCIE GAP" workbook
3. IP Expert recently announced same sort of "GAP Filling" product series which can also help.
IMHO... If you use INE ATC 4.5 and INE Written Bootcamp COD along with Narbik's GAP workbook then I guess you should be in good shape to get started for LAB.
Very good insight here big evil. I would never have considered doing chip to prepare foe ccie, but it totally makes sense. If nothing else, studying those ccip topics would be a rest stepping stone. You wouldn't ha e to take the actual ccip tests, themselves, but as you say, why not, you'll get another certification. Boy this is something I will have to consider!