6 Replies Latest reply: Aug 6, 2019 4:33 AM by Rujipars RSS

    CCIE SP lab experience


      Today i took my Very 1st CCIE Lab exam. and boy was i horrified. im not really sure what Cisco is looking for in Candidates, but definitely  they wont find in the way they do the testing.


      Troubleshooting section.


      You are given a completely  new Network, which you have got no prior knowledge of, and you are expected to "wizz bang" it, super fast,  super quick like you have been the network admin for that Network. "Personally" i quote Personally  i dont think its feasible to solve such a huge network with multiple technologies.  its just not feasible, and i would really like to find out how Cisco came about to go this route of Troubleshooting.


      Diagnostics Section:


      Diagnostics Section with the time that you get its tricky.


      these 2 new sections make it difficult to pass the exam, yet you will be "knowing your things". this feedback i leave it for Cisco to re evaluate how they undertake their CCIE exam.


      Configuration Section is ok. Here is a suggestion


      You could reduce questions in Configuration and take that extra hour saved, and put it to Troubleshooting section/ Diagnostics Section, or even to remove the Time Limits on Troubleshooting section and Diagnostics Section, just like how they do it on Configuration Section, everything is open 8 hours. Candidate will choose how much time to spend on each section.


      PS: the Troubleshooting section needs a serious re look Cisco!!!


      At the end of the day, i asked myself, Was i solely tested on my networking knowledge, Most definitely  not. i was tested on a lot of things, some of which have got nothing to do with Networking.

        • 1. Re: CCIE SP lab experience

          Too fast paced, right! That's my opinion as well;  I know how u feel; most of us fails CCIE lab on 1st take; some on 2 and 3rd, 


          Better luck next time!

          • 2. Re: CCIE SP lab experience

            Hi Promise,


            Welcome to the Cisco Learning Network!


            Thank you for sharing with us your CCIE SP lab experience.  Its not an easy task to pass any CCIE lab exam, but at the end of the day feel proud of yourself, since you took it.  Now you have a better sense of what involves passing this exam.


            I am sure next time you will pass!  You can do it!


            Furthermore, if you believe there is a section of the exam you wish to raise an issue on.  Keep in mind you can open a case with the Certification & Communities Online Support team at the following link:  https://ciscocert.secure.force.com/english

            You can submit your feedback to them for further investigation.




            • 3. Re: CCIE SP lab experience
              Anton Alipov

              Hi Promise,

              Here are some tips that may help you.


              First of all, taking the SP expert-level exam for your first attempt is something I never recommend. The SP exam is a monster. Beginning with R&S, you, in the first place, build a solid foundation for SP in terms of knowledge and TS and configuration practice, and, in the second place, you get accustomed to the exam environment and timing.


              But since you decided to begin with SP...


              There are three key points about the troubleshooting section. The first one is time management. Don't get stuck. If you see that you have no idea of how to approach the ticket in a systematic fashion, just move on to the next one. Do not waste time running in circles and trying this thing and that one. If you have one ticket unsolved, just move on to the DIAG. You probably can safely leave even two tickets unsolved if you do well in DIAG and CONFIG.


              The second key point is to focus on the problem. Do not waste too much time exploring the "huge network", in fact I think that's completely unnecessary for the TS. What you need is to focus on the exact problem and systematically work on the detection of the root issue. If you have no idea of how to approach the issue, then knowledge of the network won't help you in any way.


              The third key point is knowledge of "tricks". By "tricks" I mean either things poorly documented, or some specific cornercases. I'd say you are unlikely to be tested on poorly documented things, but "cornercases" is the hobbyhorse of all exam creators in all fields of engineering. With this, you either know the trick or you don't know it, and there is not much else to be done. If you don't know it, you just fail the ticket, period.


              You may wish to try the TS lab in my workbook which I tried to prepare in the "Cisco fashion" - introducing tasks on seemingly commonplace topics, but with some tricks and pitfalls. Maybe I will even make a video on how to solve it.

              Overall, back in summer I did not find the TS section in the real exam very difficult. If my memory does not fail me, I failed only one ticket in either attempt - although I did not follow my own advice and strived to the end to have it solved.


              The Diagnostic section. I also did not find it very difficult. The key, in my opinion, is being able to abstain from examining all the information that you are provided with, and to focus only on key facts, outputs and displays. In other words, the systematic approach is again your friend. The major drawback was that the interface of the DIAG section was poorly (IMO) organized, making it cumbersome to switch between different pieces of data. I believe I have pointed that out in my feedback to Cisco.


              The Config section looked most difficult for me, but since you were OK with it, I won't say much.


              Last but not least, the SP exam suffers from instability of the environment from time to time. Last July during my attempt the servers sorta crushed or something, so they just zeroed out all my TS results, although in fact I solved all tickets but one. So I had to retake the exam, and in that second attempt all went smoothly.

              When one takes the exam two times within a short time span, it is tempting to hope that the tasks won't change. This is the hope that I do not recommend to cherish. Better make good use of the available time to work on your weak points.


              Good luck with your next attempt!

              • 4. Re: CCIE SP lab experience

                Hi Anton


                were can i find your TS workbook?

                • 5. Re: CCIE SP lab experience
                  Anton Alipov

                  Hi promise,


                  I'm afraid that posting the link may be deemed commercial ad which is not allowed, so please check your PM.

                  • 6. Re: CCIE SP lab experience

                    Hi promise,


                    I've not taken any CCIE exam but preparing for CCIE SP as it is related with what I''ve been working with for more than 10 years.


                    The reputation of CCIE lab exam is that it is **** hard for some reason that you may know.


                    But specific to your complain about your concern in the troubleshooting parts.
                    I've been working with a mobile IP RAN network which has like 20-30 thousands routers for the whole network and ~10, 20, 30 or even hundreds of routers involve in an incident that need to be isolated within 10 minutes or it will be a big issue for the customer.
                    Cisco persons who receive escalation across Asia Pacific did mentioned that he never see such network that there is routing update every minute or even more frequent, that lead to another kind of problem that you will never face in the lab.


                    So Anton has brought up a good point about localizing the problem without knowing the whole network.
                    Imagine if you are TAC engineer getting a ticket from my customer.
                    It is quite common to have difficulty working with a few CCIEs (TAC, partner, Cisco local support engineer) troubleshooting the network for several hours and still struggling to localize/isolate the problem.


                    So in conclusion, the exam give you some aspect of the real work that CCIE SP will face in troubleshooting.